It is hard to know who to blame for this “upgrade” in know-how. While it is a great thing for those who are aware of what a bot is and what it does but it truly messes with those of us who are trying to get back to nature, in a genuine way, and want to avoid technical gadgetry.
For now, it seems that most of these bots are created for personal use only, not to reserve all the campsites in Yosemite for the whole summer and then sell them on for a profit, for example. However, according to KQED, California State Parks has already shut down a vendor called “Adventure Man” who did just that.
A legal gray area in terms of personal use, there is technically nothing stopping the rest of us from using bots ourselves to do the same thing — the code for the Yosemite bot is posted on GitHub. The problem is, you need to understand how to use it and I wager that the majority of people looking to camp in Yosemite don’t.
Representatives from both Yosemite and the California State Parks were contacted about the bot issue and are sympathetic. There are not enough campsites for everyone who wants one during the summer and, over time, it will only get worse!
Whether a bot is the culprit or space simply comes at a premium these days, it might just be time for any survivalist to retire to their own personally bought piece of the wilderness! Another piece of motivation to build that bug-out shelter. Don't be the victim of a bot! For more on this important issue check out The Gear Caster.
I’d shoot them
Space at Yosemite being at a premium is essentially why going there sucks. I would just hike out and camp illegally. A good survivalist leaves no trace anyhow.
What’s a bot?
Thats what I wanna know.
The first page of the article explains it.
Must a missed something.
And…..?
It’s basically a program that helps a scalper buy the permit so then they can turn around and sell at higher price.
Another trick I find bothersome is where you call and increase the days you really want to reserve. When there is a strict amount of days prior that you can reserve, one calls ,say, 2 days in advance of the days they wish to reserve and merely sacrifice the 2 days never intending to use them. Team this trick up with the bots and I guarantee a long, hot summer! Shooting, Mr. Hart would be my first choice, then I would hurt them! We have to laugh, lest we cry!
That sucks
I never pay to go outside.
Another trick is they solved this for the most part with the introduction of the capchaca that’s literally it’s entire function to prove you’re not a bot
Not here, unless you want to go to the Hot Spot where everyone is, campsites here in Oregon are 10-30, always open.
Whomever came up with this BS permit to enjoy the outdoors should be put in the publicly stoned! !!!…ridiculous!
Any place that allows Bots to purchase ALL THE DAMN TICKETS I have no desire to patronize them.
Back to the penand paper I say
This looks like a Boy Scout tent after two day of summer camp.
that’s what I was thinking
Saddlebag Lake is great, no reservations needed.
Part of the fun is setting up camp. We would NOT go to a campground with this type of campsite.
Go back to only accepting phone calls to rent a campsite.
Grizz is the answer. Reintroduce Grizzly Bears back into the Sierras and this won’t be a problem.
Bots are the reason why major rock acts sell out in mere moments, and the scalpers take obscene profits.
Phone calls only!!!
Campgrounds are the worst of humanity anyway
Just make sure that all permits /tickets are non transferable with a good return policy then only the people who will use them will buy them simple
AM I the only one that thinks that poaying out money to have a special spot to set up camp isnt camping
What’s Bots?
I haven’t been camping in years. And if it looks like a FEMA camp, I’ll pass, thanks.
What is bot
Another thing is that camping sites in our National Forest are managed by private contractors who charge 30 plus dollars a day to camp in them.
Just takes no one buying the botters tickets once to fix the problem.
Botters?
That’s akin to worrying about whether or not you will need a Ham Radio license when the SHTF! Its a big non factor!
nothing new.. js another wanna be profitable tech JackAss
Ya using an automated program to buy uo tickets. Then they sell em doe a profit. It seems campsites have limited places and so ppl are buying and raising the prices
Geoffrey
Ahh yes. Of course.
I never use actual “camp spots” anyway. I venture out and find my own away from everyone and everything.
Scalping tickets is the same
I’ve sent an email to ticket master once asking why they don’t put the names of the customer on the event ticket? They put your name on airline tickets. This way if you don’t go you don’t have someone else get in.
And this has to do with Die Hard Surviving how???
Sooooooo… don’t camp at a campsite. Walk your$#%&!@*in and camp it where you’re not surrounded by German and Japanese tourists. Is camping in a designated spot even considered camping? It never was when I was growing up.
Amen.
Mishey Belcher
I don’t think it’s bots, it’s my belief that more people are heading outdoors these days for a variety of reasons. Couple that with a limited set of campsites and permits being controlled to reduce impact on trails…..equals sites and permits being booked up. We go camping at minimum once a month (sometimes 2-3 times a month) in Southern Cali and the Sierras and it’s hard to get your first choice in sites/permits…..especially if some outdoor blog or magazine wrote an article on the area in the last decade.
I believe I am uninformed. What is/are bots?
Looks like camp pupukea on oahu
I’ve been complaining about this for awhile. I’m tired of being punished by not being allowed to camp and grill, BBQ or have a campfire by the USFS unless I’m in a domestic site when they decide on fire restrictions and they offer no alternative so in essence they punish the masses (those of us who are responsible) for the actions of a few. I can’t always afford my site a yr in advance and when I have been able to, the interactions that I’ve had with persons who staff those sites seem to treat me as less, pick on me more and just overall treat me badly as I don’t have a huge expensive RV or 5th wheel and actually camp, in my tent, with my gear so I can be outside and unplugged. Evidently they now prefer those who are seen by not seen because they run inside of there home on wheels as soon as it gets dark! I use to be able to go a few days ahead of the WE crowds and have no issue with walk up sites but those are almost non-existent. Down from a half dozen to maybe one and it’s because they prefer to not have any financial transactions (they actually told me this) on site but have no problem driving around to charge double or triple because in my case my 16 yr old had to arrive the next day so instead of $30 it was now $60 a night but saw plenty of RV’s with 2 cars and a tent in their site and asked them only to be told they only paid $30 a night. Bots aren’t the only danger with loosing our campsites and permits!